Friday, 14 December 2018

John Horgan Closes 10 Fish Farms!!!

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Dec 14, 2018

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Chief Bob Chamberlin speaking now: 10:17

Jonathan Wilkinson speaking as of 10:21. He says 17 farms will move out of the Broughton A. He is also talking about the precautionary principle, which is the method I said was the important one, along with freshwater habitat restoration.

David Kimmel from Cermaq: 10:29 He says a bunch of stuff that could be good: habitat, climate change. Still saying fish farms have lowest carbon footprint, ignoring the $10.4B in sewage they put in the BC ocean. Talks about feeding people.

Diane Morrison, Marine Harvest (Mowei) saying good things about speaking with one another, reconciliation. Business must evolve and that means us. 600 employees (it is only about 500), wild salmon/environment and blah blah, transition in BA to... indigenous monitoring in their territories. We care about wild salmon....And this consensus based approach (Hmm)

Lana Popham: we came in with wanting to do reconciliation. Still she is not talking specifics. Strengthening wild salmon while strengthening aquaculture.


Horgan speaking, 10:40, we are moving forward. Cohen Commission, starting point. 10 removed to create channel for smolt migration from Fraser (also Broughton pinks, as well).

Bob; 10:45. Let's get it done (he has a cold). It's a one way street, meaning government, but we now come as equal partners (reconciliation). To improve wild salmon, this is one, then forestry, water licences, etc. global warming, WA state, Bolt Decision 50% of salmon to Indigenous. Salmon need help and this does help. Let's move forward, no more what we have done in the past, integration is good and we want Indigenous partners in Cascadia, all of it, management, WRT survival of fish.

Horgan, 10:48, 54% of biomass eliminated by 2022. Indigenous will now work with business to move forward. Create more wild salmon at the same time.

Wilkinson: 10:51, area based management. Need aqua, and Wild stocks. 'Absolute comfort with this.'

Horgan: 10:53, all options are on the table. But thinks Marine Harvest/Cermaq will move to transition. Cooperation moving forward. Template can be moved to other BC industries. DFO has a new announced budget ($100M but it doesn't have details.)

Nelson Bennett: job losses? Why are companies okay?

Horgan: 10:55, 7 remaining will remain. Skepticism? We are all here

Bob: to Nelson, 10;56, 2022 must have agreement, or out. That is the longterm. We wind down farms and have indigenous monitoring at all times. Sea lice treatments, for example, we are skeptical of health on fish farms, we define that, the testing, drugs, lice, we will train and do it on sites, so we can tell our own leadership out there. FN/BC/Fed. Window of opportunity for new technologies. (Sure, the Egg?)

11: it's a wrap. Legislative Conference Call.

Here is a link to the video conference: And, specifically:


Now, what do I think? Well this sounds good, but there are those almost 4,000 problems I have found in the industry over the last three years:

It sounds good to talk of wild salmon, with fish farms working around them, however, the problems still remain, of disease, lice, chemicals, the Second Silent Spring, sewage, relatively small GDP input by fish farms with the straight forward way forward is to put fish farms on land, move feed to insect based, use sewage for hydroponics...

But there is Wilkinson seeming clued in, Lana seeming clued in, JH, and BC seeming clued in. Hard not to feel a warm fuzzy after so many decades of deception and fish dying.

As mentioned previously, the stats show: fish farms (all of aqua) only a $61.9M GDP contribution, meaning the bulk of the $469M (all of aqua) going back to Norway, only 1700 multiplier jobs in fish farms, with only 850 actual jobs, sport revenue of $2.52B, the most conservative sewage cost to us of $10.4B.

And the four major problems remain: freshwater habitat restoration (DFO number of $100M is short on detains), DFO, fish farms and climate change.

The proof will be in the pudding.


And now, watching the video for the first time, rather than just audio, I am struck by how ill informed people are on the employment in fish farms. It is only 1700 multiplier jobs, and actual employment is only 850 jobs (I determined this myself). That means the Indigenous jobs, at 20% are only 170 jobs. Are we going to continue with fish farms in the water, when only 170 aboriginals are employed, and only 1,700 economic effect? Sport is 8,400 jobs. Why do we talk so much about fish farm jobs rather than the vastly more jobs in other parts of the salmon world?

And Jon W goes on to say they will do a study of on-land and closed containment, to determine 'industry readiness'. Well what about the 218,000 MT coming on stream on land in the USA? Atlantic Sapphire, Whole Oceans, Nordic Aquafarms, and Aquabanq? What about the additional 260, 000 that PE Fund is going to put around the entire world? And what about the 260 on-land fish farms that I have found? What planet are you guys on? You need to do your homework.

Jon W goes on to trumpet his new aquaculture act, which is simply words, like transparency, best practices and so on. The issue is where the rubber hits the road, and I am not hearing: we are putting you on land for free! A $32- t0 $40-million huge subsidy, as in the same as Norway!

And Jimmy Kibble for Cermaq says that he is sure wild salmon will be better with fish farms in the water. Sorry, I fell off my chair at that one, after all of his first five minutes of puff stuff.

And when he went on to straight face claim that fish farms have the lowest carbon footprint of all farming methods, I fell off my chair again. It is a conservative $10.4B that we pay, for your sewage. And other farming methods at least keep all the crap on land, where it can be used, rather than sprayed all over the ocean where it can only cause eutrophication and algal blooms, and change in pH.

And then he went on to claim the same Blue Revolution BS that the Norwegians have been claiming since the 1970s, 'farming the ocean will be essential' ... and when he claimed sustainability, I decided I had better not write anything more and just grit my teeth until he was finished.

Then Ms Morrison from Marine Harvest, soon to be Mowei: says Jon's work will be critical, even though Jon is talking science. Then she says there are 600 MH employees. There are not, they may reach 500, and I have several references for that figure. She then says the agreement will not lead to any staff changes in the Broughton. Hmm. Could that be because, on many farms there are no employees and they are visited by employees who see many farms? After all it only takes 2 people to run a farm.

I like the Indigenous oversight part of her talk, though the devil is in the details, as Alex Morton's work showed how DFO and the CFIA essentially fraudulently tried to find a lab that would give a no-disease response to them. They will do the same thing again.

Then Lana goes on to say we want lots of wild salmon and a sustainable fish farm industry. Hmm. I don't think they really get the point of on-land.

John seems to get that we need more wild salmon as he answers Keith Baldry, about BC and WA working together on salmon/SRKW. Not to mention that there are 300,000 sport fishers who aren't keen on DFO, meaning we don't believe them anymore.

He does mention that the Cohen Commission was used to take the 10 fish farms out of the Broughton, and goes on to mention Discovery, just south of there, at Campbell River.

Bob is quite eloquent about the one-way street of the past, being government/court/government, and now that may be changing. Roughly minute 46 if you want to go directly there. He goes on to say that on this one topic the door to Indigenous inclusion has been opened. I hope he's right.

He has a good comment on management based on survival versus management based on the economy (minute 50), when referring to cross border Indigenous inclusion in the process.

Jon comes back to talk about area-based management. But then he destroys it by using the old shibboleth of fish farms talking about a growing world population needing protein and we need to use the ocean, and fish numbers are going down, and the same old fish farm spin stuff that they have been using for 50 years. It is sad to hear the same words from the DFO minister, for example, the ocean fish decline of 20 global fish stocks is directly caused by the fish farm industry killing for feed.

And then John has to ruin what he has to say by saying that Cermaq and Marine Harvest are leaders in technology, when that just isn't true. I refer you to the USA, PE Fund, and my list of 260 on-land farms. Marine Harvest has the Egg, which allows it to release its sewage from the tank, and Cermaq has iFarm that looks at every fish, and releases its sewage. We need them just to put the farms on land. That is all this is about.


Finally, the Times Colonist article, Dec 15, 2018, by Les Leyne on fish farms being taken out of the Broughton:

Tuesday, 11 December 2018

Wake Up Liberals - BC Wants Fish Farms On Land - Fish Farms Manipulate Science

Hi Jonathan

Seafood News, Dec 11, 2018: ““The Government of Canada is committed to making aquaculture more effective, efficient and environmentally sustainable,” the Honourable Jonathan Wilkinson, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, said in a press release.””

I am astonished that you don’t just do what British Columbians want and take fish farms out of the water and put them on land. We have been telling the government since the 1980s to take fish farms out of the water.

Instead, you trot out the gaping open door of science that fish farms use to manipulate the situation and stay in the water. They have been using science since the 70s in this manner: the science says we didn’t do that, we need more science. When the science comes in they say, the science doesn’t say we are the problem… we need more science…

You can expect the Liberals to lose those 18 seats in BC if you do this.

Why not get ahead of the curve and realize that in-ocean is going to be put out of business in North America by the on-land movement in the States. Atlantic Sapphire, Whole Oceans, Nordic Aquafarms and Aquabanc, at 218mt at grow out will be almost 250% bigger than in BC and will take its major market because consumers don’t want in-ocean fish farm fish. Then there is the PE Fund in Asia, aiming at 260,000mt on land, will take a big bite of the rest of BC’s markets. And globally, I have found 259 on-land fish farms:

In-ocean is a decade out of date. Wake up, and start giving out on-land licences for free and on-land subsidies. This is what Norway is doing because it is fed up with in-ocean environmental damage, a $9- to $12-million subsidy based on the in-ocean auction price of a licence in 2014.

The only reason that the Norwegian companies came to Canada was that we have less stringent laws than Norway.

See: From the fibbing article: “8. And why did Norwegian companies, Marine Harvest, Cermaq and Grieg Seafood come to Canada in the first place? They came to Canada/Chile/Etc. because of weaker laws: "The report Fishy Business: The Economics of Salmon Farming In BC notes that in the late 1980s, Norwegian companies were faced with strict environmental regulations and farm size restrictions in their own country, so they decided to expand in countries where regulations were less strict (i.e. Canada, Chile)."”

Wake up Liberal party.

DC Reid

Sunday, 9 December 2018

Wild Salmon Secretariat – Make Your Case for Bringing Back Wild Salmon, Updated Dec 11, 2018

The Wild Salmon Secretariat spearheaded by Green MLA Adam Olsen is now at the stage where it is collecting public comment on their work so far – their salmon document – in the process of bringing back wild salmon. Please go and make your thoughts known on their website and consider attending their meeting in Victoria, slated for January 2019.

Note that at the meetings, speakers may be limited to five minutes, so come with your thoughts on paper, drop them off, and, also, send the secretariat the same e-document attached to an email.

Here is their report: At 53 pages it is not unduly long to read. Note that pages 3 and 4 summarize all strategies for change, and you can click on each to go directly to the text. 

This is their summary document: At two pages, you should read it to get the options they have put together.

This is their website, noting several meetings before the end of December 2018:

At the bottom of the page is a link to an online form to make your comments; that takes you to this page: So, you can make comments right now. 
This option ends on December 28, so please make a point to make some comments and record them on their site.

Their email address is: Local members of the Secretariat that most will know are: Ward Bond, Mike Hicks, Martin Paish and Adam Olsen, Saanich MLA.

For a meeting I had with Adam Olsen and others on Friday, I put together a plan for dealing with the major problems facing wild salmon. From it I excise the following portion, along with some links you may want to follow up: 

Wild BC Salmon Plan – Adam Olsen Meeting, Dec 7, 2018 – DC Reid

The Four Big Problems

1.     Freshwater Habitat Restoration: The BC Government should put $150 Million over ten years, at $15M each year into the Pacific Salmon Foundation to fund freshwater salmon habitat restoration. The PSF leverages money 4 to 7 times, making the annual amount into $60M to $105M, and the total amount into $600M to $1050M, the biggest infusion ever for wild salmon.

2.     DFO (in Ottawa): Has been and is managing salmon into extinction. Work around them on all fronts. 1. Come up with a wide-ranging made in BC Wild Salmon Plan. See below. 2. BC has jurisdiction for both freshwater habitat and for ending fish farm licences. 3. Ask DFO to provide another $15M a year for ten years, to the PSF, for freshwater habitat restoration – another billion-dollar effect for wild salmon.

3.     Fish Farms: The BC NDP won’t take fish farms out of the water, without pressure. Fish farms need to be on land, or they are going to be put out of business by the vastly growing global on-land industry. In the USA, Atlantic Sapphire, Whole Oceans, Nordic Aquafarms and Aquabanc are moving toward 218,000mt salmon on land, almost 250% higher than BC, and taking BC’s main market, the USA. Pure Salmon is aiming at an additional 260,000mt around the globe, taking the rest of BC’s market. Globally there are even more: 255 on-land RAS systems.

4.     Climate Change: Is negative to salmon. I am working on a document that addresses the problems and solutions.

The Solution

BC Wild Salmon Plan

       The government of BC has the following plan for bringing back wild Pacific salmon: 

1.     We are moving forward to save BC’s iconic Wild Pacific Salmon, threatened now on several fronts. We will fund the Pacific Salmon Foundation $150 million over ten years to undertake freshwater habitat restoration. We are asking the federal government to add the same amount of funding for the same purpose, making this the biggest positive plan for wild salmon ever undertaken in BC! More than $2 Billion in total.

2.     We will set up 12 net-pen operations for the next ten years, with 2 million sterilized chinook fry each to feed southern resident killer whales.

3.     We will set up net-pen operations in coastal First Nations to raise their own, local, sterilized salmon.

4.     We will provide funding for our aboriginal brothers to remove Atlantic salmon and their fry from BC rivers.

5.     We propose that DFO curtail the herring roe fishery for the next decade.

6.     Yes, there is science on the problems with fish farms, but there are other issues: wild salmon are declining, climate change is getting worse, British Columbians by and large don’t like fish farms, our aboriginal brothers want their wild salmon back and farmed salmon out of the ocean. We are acting in accordance with British Columbian wishes and using the precautionary principle, as well as court decisions on Indigenous rights.

7.     In accordance with our plans, fish farms will be moved to land. Globally, the industry has been moving onto land for many years, including in Norway, where BC farms are from, and it is now time to do the same here. 

Norway stopped auctioning in-ocean licences in 2014 and then granted, for free, on-land licences; this was a $9- to $12-million subsidy to set up on land. We will offer the same subsidy in BC, a free licence. The most recent in-ocean licences went for $32- $40-million in Norway, making a free on-land licence an enormous subsidy to set up on land. BC will match that huge on-land subsidy. That is how much we value investment in BC’s economy.

Marine Harvest is investing $100 Million in closed containment, and the other companies also have their plans. It makes sense for Norwegian companies to invest some in BC, on our much cheaper land, with cheaper labour than Norway, with their monetary policy inflated Krone that will buy more in BC, rather than go back to Norway and set up on land there.

8.     We will retrain workers to work on fish farms on land. 

9.     We will set up a 30,000mt on-land fish farm, working with industry leaders Atlantic Sapphire, Aqua Maof, PE Fund and our aboriginal brothers at Kuterra. 

10. We will retire 33% of current leases each June for the next three years. We’re here to help in the transition to land. And with our lower costs, you’ll be contributing to the BC economy, without the damaging externalities of the old way of doing things.

Here is related information and some useful links if you wish to follow up on some of the topics:

Other Notes:

*Use the precautionary principle, and Indigenous rights to make your argument.

Current BC Stats Report:

*Drug Resistance – Slice – pesticides resistance is not new. Rachel Carson wrote about the 1940s to 1960s use of pesticides, herbicides and fungicides, which lead to the banning of chlorine- and phosphorous-based chemicals such as DDT, PCBs and so on, after millions of birds and animals died. This is exactly what is happening now, 50 years after she called her book Silent Spring, for all the collateral killing that chemicals do in the world. SLICE etc. should be banned. Antibiotic use should be banned.

Useful links: 

4.     Secretariat report, Options for a made-in-BC Salmon Strategy:

5.     John Horgan What Are you Thinking: Lots of references.

7.     DFO is the 40 year problem with wild salmon: See the Nahmint photo.

13.  DFO Fibs on Salmon Escapes: This calculates the current escape/leakage figure of 153,000 Atlantic salmon per crop in BC.

14.  From the fibbing article: “8. And why did Norwegian companies, Marine Harvest, Cermaq and Grieg Seafood come to Canada in the first place? They came to Canada/Chile/Etc. because of weaker laws: "The report Fishy Business: The Economics of Salmon Farming In BC notes that in the late 1980s, Norwegian companies were faced with strict environmental regulations and farm size restrictions in their own country, so they decided to expand in countries where regulations were less strict (i.e. Canada, Chile)."”

15.  PFRCC: Salmon Stronghold Concept: Exec Summary: “This approach to salmon habitat conservation was initially conceived by Canadian researchers and fisheries specialists and explained in the 1990’s Living Blueprint for B.C. Salmon Habitat report. It was not adopted then, primarily because of Canada’s attention to the Wild Salmon Policy’s development and the preoccupation of governments with recovery for a series of crisis conditions that included fish population crashes and immediate threats to salmon diversity in several areas.” The Blueprint is discussed on page 6.

And, finally some recent news/videos about chinook and other salmon species being in decline: